Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

  • Published: 12 August 2019
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  • Phillipe
    Phillipe  5 months back

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • Gamer Prestige
      Gamer Prestige  2 days back

      LOCURA! Lmao A joke said 5 months ago about other cheap VR units are for peasants. Fine I take it back lol. Now VR contact lens are king and any other trash head units are for peasants like you.

    • LOCURA!
      LOCURA!  2 days back

      @Gamer Prestige people like you are why the VR community fails. You are trying to divide two different headset owners that all have love for VR but why? shame on you.

    • LOCURA!
      LOCURA!  2 days back

      @FlyingFree333 you have nothing to back up this statement. my quest is AMAZING

    • Pixel_
      Pixel_  6 days back

      I still have the rift cv1... but i love it so i wonder what the index or S would be like😍

    • James -
      James -  2 weeks back

      Kamel so it should be for the price

  • Kris Pamphilon
    Kris Pamphilon  2 hours back

    Anyone tell me what the VR pc case is? :)

    • PocketOfPlenty
      PocketOfPlenty  2 hours back

      The cat is what you acually came here for

      Edit: ... and this 13:05

      • NoBrainah
        NoBrainah  8 hours back

        I have the original rift and have since day one. Should I wait a bit for the valve Index (price drop and or hardware/software improvements) or just get the rift s or one of the Vive products?

        • RandomOl Zavitous
          RandomOl Zavitous  9 hours back


          The cat chilling in the box:

          • earl raglin
            earl raglin  11 hours back

            Shits Higher than a giraffes ass right now $$$

            • Shane Mitchell
              Shane Mitchell  14 hours back

              We just gonna act like that car wasn’t in the box when he opened it

              • RaySoft
                RaySoft  16 hours back

                VR motion sickness has more to do with datatransfer rates. On a Quest, or even a Samsung Gear VR, you're much less prone to motion sickness simply because the gyro, screen and render hardware is inside the same unit, i.e. no need to send movement data to a PC and then wait for a rendered picture to get back.

                • Thomas Wade
                  Thomas Wade  16 hours back

                  I may or may not be running my index with a 580, hehe

                  • Angel Lopez
                    Angel Lopez  16 hours back

                    3:37 huh 🤔 ... so that’s what happened to schrodinger cat

                    • 7BitTrip
                      7BitTrip  19 hours back

                      Linus is wishing for a strap-on experience.
                      Anyone in the comments willing to oblige?

                      • Ares
                        Ares  21 hours back

                        Does the Valve Index ship with a cat?

                        • Billy West
                          Billy West  23 hours back

                          Everyone who says VR is dead is stupid. VR is waiting on real games and software. Devs don't make enough of it because no one owns VR yet. Thus slow development. VR is awesome, not close to being dead. Maybe don't say dumb things.

                          • Gary Lau
                            Gary Lau  1 days back

                            That wire hurts! I would rather pick the Oculus Quest!

                            • Gustav the Chespin λ
                              Gustav the Chespin λ  1 days back

                              Fixed title: - Half Life Alyx Machine Review

                              • Savage Stuff
                                Savage Stuff  1 days back

                                7:40 the VIVE index!

                                • Ford Entertainment Group FEG

                                  Rift s is better overall. And cheaper.

                                  • Spino Gaming
                                    Spino Gaming  2 days back

                                    3:32 Ah i see the Valve Index comes with a Cat. Interesting

                                    • SENJU
                                      SENJU  2 days back

                                      and ups the box and a cat appears!!! LOL

                                      • TCMOREIRA
                                        TCMOREIRA  2 days back

                                        (3:32) Is the Kitty included in all versions of the set?

                                        • Michael Paulsen
                                          Michael Paulsen  2 days back

                                          4:42 Did he say smell accessory?!

                                          • Alexander Fields
                                            Alexander Fields  2 days back

                                            kitty! more vr content sir!

                                            • Guillermo Ortiz
                                              Guillermo Ortiz  3 days back

                                              22:18 Who's operating the camera?

                                              • David Karlsson
                                                David Karlsson  3 days back

                                                YE NOSE IS HUGE OFC IT HURTS EVERYTIME

                                                • GG GG
                                                  GG GG  3 days back

                                                  Actually.. let's talk about the cat in the box lol! 🤣

                                                  • MP
                                                    MP  3 days back

                                                    3:33 typical cat move

                                                    • Friedrich Wilhelm
                                                      Friedrich Wilhelm  3 days back

                                                      i expect the answer to be no but will this all run with a gtx 1060?

                                                      • Zero001 LP
                                                        Zero001 LP  2 days back

                                                        I think it will, but not perfectly.

                                                    • adamklam1
                                                      adamklam1  4 days back

                                                      3:33 Finally a Pre-order perk I'd actually want.

                                                      • Derek Gowans
                                                        Derek Gowans  4 days back

                                                        Did the cat say help

                                                        • PratyushGaming
                                                          PratyushGaming  4 days back

                                                          I waited for decades and got Valve Index and Half-Life: Alyx...who thought it would be Portal 3 or Half-Life 3?

                                                          • High Ground Zero Tolerance

                                                            By far the best review ive watched!

                                                            • Ka KAKAKAMILLLO
                                                              Ka KAKAKAMILLLO  5 days back

                                                              I think vr is boring if you don't have your own room where nobody disturbs you otherwise you don't even have time to play parents want to watch TV BTW

                                                              to play you need lot of money for equipment and games

                                                              • Ka KAKAKAMILLLO
                                                                Ka KAKAKAMILLLO  3 days back

                                                                @Zero001 LP or "KAT loco"

                                                              • Zero001 LP
                                                                Zero001 LP  3 days back

                                                                @Ka KAKAKAMILLLO Well, you should have been prepared to do so then.

                                                              • Ka KAKAKAMILLLO
                                                                Ka KAKAKAMILLLO  3 days back

                                                                ​@Zero001 LP I have enough space but I need to rearrange the furniture something like "Cyberith Virtualizer"

                                                              • Zero001 LP
                                                                Zero001 LP  3 days back

                                                                @Ka KAKAKAMILLLO Why should they reduce the game zone? It's the games that set this, it is very clearly stated with "seated play", "standing play" and "roomscale play". It's you just being a dumbass not paying attention to warnings and checking everything before buying.

                                                              • Ka KAKAKAMILLLO
                                                                Ka KAKAKAMILLLO  3 days back

                                                                @jarrod1937 I'm not happy because I got bored vr there is nothing to do for it would pay off to put on a head set. I can start the VRchat pc version

                                                                other games on vr are short 1-3-5h

                                                                I have too small a room to play when I want to and I rarely do it because you have to move the furniture

                                                                Vive should reduce the game zone

                                                            • Kevin VH
                                                              Kevin VH  5 days back

                                                              Dude I love your videos and the sponsorships you take on but come on the valve bs is over priced and the rift s has it beat hands down. Must be nice to get review copy's of items. without having to spend all the money just to get the company more sales. But then again you get a kick back from that which im not mad about but I honestly do feel like this is soooooooooo bias its sickening just because they sponsored your video your gonna speak great about this product give me an effing break.

                                                              • jarrod1937
                                                                jarrod1937  1 days back

                                                                @Magnus Lööv, even the most demanding game I have, Skyrim, I am able to play at 100% resolution and heavily modded (main reason for needing 120Hz instead of 144Hz). Unmodded Skyrim I am able to do 144Hz in. However, super sampling does not bring a headset with a lower resolution to be more comparable to a higher one. SS merely helps with severe aliasing and text legibility below a certain resolution threshold, my point is that the native resolution of the Index is high enough to not need super sampling. Similar to how you normally don't hear about super sampling for non-VR games anymore. I haven't tried "the climb" since it is an Oculus store exclusive, I suppose I could at some point with reVive. However, if it can run on the Oculus Quest, I have no doubt I can run it at full resolution at 144Hz. Again, be happy with your current headset, but you're underestimating what current headsets and current computers can push.

                                                              • Magnus Lööv
                                                                Magnus Lööv  2 days back

                                                                @jarrod1937 I never called you biased. That was another person.
                                                                It's way, way to expensive to even compare it to anything else, if, and I say if, you don't already own the super expensive 2080ti.

                                                                And even then you say yourself you have to turn down things.
                                                                By the way, have you tried "The climb with it"? At 120 Hz?
                                                                The numbers tells it all with the total resolution X refresh rate (yes turn it down and you lose yet another advantage of it).
                                                                Same with "Don't need to use super sampling". That will definitely put the orig closer in the more demanding games. In the same setup (with super sampling) where the resolution and refresh rate are the real big difference, it won't make the cut for demanding games.
                                                                I'm sure it is a big upgrade otherwize for most other things and also feels better for the demanding games. Not just 144 Hz activated better. Anf not the full advantage of resolution and super sampling better.
                                                                The total price of that takes it into the price category of professional enterprise systems, still being a home unit.
                                                                But, if money is of absolutely of no concern with the required 2080ti and the index, then it is an option.

                                                                I stay put with my orig. Vive and 1080ti. Maybe will by the index controller. Won't make any upgrades until 2 generations further down the line. Something like an 4080 or whatever it will be. With the power to handle the high res headsets.

                                                              • jarrod1937
                                                                jarrod1937  2 days back

                                                                @Magnus Lööv, you are trying your best to make a case against it, but you're not doing very well. I have both an OG Vive and the new Index, and the Index is a very large upgrade over the Vive. SDE, resolution, brightness, pixel response time (may just be me but it appears to have less ghosting), along with being a higher refresh rate. I have a 2080 ti and can run a lot of games at 144Hz at 100% resolution (no down or super sampling). For more demanding games (like Skyrim VR) I set the Index to 120Hz. However, it also supports 90Hz (for compatibility), but I haven't had a need to use it yet. I am honestly confused by the talk about the black levels on the Index. Comparing the OG Vive to the Index, the black levels are a little worse, but not that large of an amount, and out of the two choices, I choose to use my Index over my Vive by far. The Vive's pixel layout definitely made the SDE worse, but it also has a definite issue with resolution compared to the Index. With the Index, I actually haven't felt the need to super sample like I did with the Vive. Again, it's fine to want and like the Rift S, it gives an offering at a lower cost. Nothing wrong with that. However, it's illogical to say the Index is worse simply because it's pricier, even though it's superior in every other stat. I assume you have the Rift S and are wanting to justify it. You don't need to justify it, just go and enjoy it, and stop calling others biased without proper reasoning.

                                                              • Magnus Lööv
                                                                Magnus Lööv  2 days back

                                                                @jarrod1937 But you won't be able to use the Index on any demanding games with any of even the most current high end 2080 Titan or whatever GPU:s if it's both significantly higher in resolution and have 144 Hz instead of 90 Hz in refresh rate.
                                                                Even at 90 hz, the much higher resolution will be a clear problem in things like "The Climb".
                                                                We only saw really, really light games demonstrated here by Linus.
                                                                So in reallity, many will have to even turn down the graphics settings for the index to make it playable in demanding games compared to the original Vive, making the graphics worse on it!
                                                                Then there is also the point of it being non-oled. There was a test of a beta version of Half LIfe : Alyx done by some other youtubers where they compared different VR-headsets and they mentioned how good it looked in the original Vive due to the Oled. Darkness and shadows plays a big part of that game.The resolution wasn't a problem when actually playing the game but the quality due to OLed was a good thing according to them.

                                                              • Mahoxy
                                                                Mahoxy  2 days back

                                                                This video wasn't sponsored by valve you spaz seems like you're the bias one here...

                                                            • 1968 Ford Mustang California Special

                                                              Can’t focus, the cat is in the box

                                                              • AboveAverage Sir
                                                                AboveAverage Sir  5 days back

                                                                Remove the Shadow. Who likes cats anymore? 😂

                                                                • Chuloferso
                                                                  Chuloferso  5 days back

                                                                  Nah i pass. Dont want to look like an idiot playing.

                                                                  • Zero001 LP
                                                                    Zero001 LP  3 days back

                                                                    Then just close yourself in your room.

                                                                • Callum Hurley
                                                                  Callum Hurley  6 days back

                                                                  Linus: VR is dead

                                                                  Linus (with Index): Woah 144Hz?! VR isn't dead at all it's alive and well thank god for 144Hz that was the only barrier

                                                                  • gammy gaming
                                                                    gammy gaming  6 days back

                                                                    Vr was never dead

                                                                    • Immunogoblin
                                                                      Immunogoblin  6 days back

                                                                      you named your black cat shadow?...

                                                                      • Atomic Skull
                                                                        Atomic Skull  6 days back

                                                                        12:01 strap on experience ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

                                                                        • Ed Wilson
                                                                          Ed Wilson  6 days back

                                                                          Can anyone tell me if the game and / or the Valve Index will support a true left handed mode? Was this tested by any lefties inside or outside Valve? Before I drop $3k on an Index and a serious PC upgrade I need to get a concrete answer to this. The Index controllers look asymmetrical / side specific which is fine from an ergonomic stand point BUT can I flip controller sides in the support software or the game?

                                                                          • jarrod1937
                                                                            jarrod1937  3 days back

                                                                            My dad is left handed and it's more of a game/software question. Depends if the particular game you want to play supports it or now. The controllers themselves are symmetrical, so it's more of a matter of if the game supports swapping which hand is the dominant one. Though, in some games my dad was able to adjust easily enough even without any left/right hand options. So, the best I can say is research what games you're interested in playing and make sure, though in general a lot of games have it as a standard option, it's just not guaranteed to exist.

                                                                        • OOF Gaming
                                                                          OOF Gaming  6 days back

                                                                          I came here for the video stayed because the cat

                                                                          • Slick Robot
                                                                            Slick Robot  6 days back

                                                                            Getting this in 2 weeks for my 2080ti build I cant wait

                                                                            • Brunswick Eagle
                                                                              Brunswick Eagle  7 days back

                                                                              *Blurs out middle finger*
                                                                              *Doesn't blur out second middle finger*

                                                                              • Anders Howmann
                                                                                Anders Howmann  7 days back

                                                                                Anybody else notice the cat fortress just off screen?

                                                                                • DashingCruz
                                                                                  DashingCruz  7 days back

                                                                                  That's it, I'm getting one, i don't need new glasses or a phone anyway

                                                                                  • Mike Pagniello Renfrey

                                                                                    your son is watching you (lmao)

                                                                                    • Nin-_-Droid
                                                                                      Nin-_-Droid  7 days back

                                                                                      Excuse me in box... confusion