Gods, Demigods and Liches in Dungeons & Dragons

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Comments • 256

  • wolfy boy
    wolfy boy  2 weeks back

    so, it's not just getting so powerful, that you can take some gods place?

    • ScorchedCrow95
      ScorchedCrow95  3 weeks back

      My world has Gods but the Gods are more like super powerful mages and sorcerers who are just so far beyond the ordinary. They can die and are certainly *human* in more ways than one. Also most of them in my campaign are assholes too.

      • Raven Artist
        Raven Artist  4 weeks back

        My current D&D character is a Goddess incarnate.

        The Moon Goddess, Rehtaeh, decided she was tired of ruling over a lifeless planet. So she had her Sister-Goddess make her a body that would hold her so she could see what it’s like to be a creature on Earth.

        • Midnight Green
          Midnight Green  1 months back

          Seems that many have forgotten about Mystara. Wrath of the Immortals

          • Shalom College
            Shalom College  1 months back

            lmao. Be born a god is the easy road you just need to make your self known like the rest of them and become legend and hopefully a religion. Like my boi Helios.

            • Max Pinion
              Max Pinion  1 months back

              Sci fi and fantasy need to work the same way. I need to know things, and not knowing is dangerous.
              And truth is in fact, absolute.

              • billabonggolkpr
                billabonggolkpr  2 months back

                I kind of feel like telling this guy objective fact is the only real truth. That's why it's called fantasy and not non fiction

                • Garmec
                  Garmec  2 months back

                  don't clerics lose their spells if they turn to an alignment that contradicts their deity?

                  • Matthew Kane
                    Matthew Kane  2 months back

                    Step 1: Reach Level Twenty
                    Step 2: Gain Boon of Immortality by Stealing the Essence of A God.
                    Step 3: ???
                    Step 4: Profit
                    Step 5: Regret

                    • Scarlet Jester
                      Scarlet Jester  3 months back

                      I had a bard that ascended to Godhood through magical items and clever play, stole a magic item from a cult that would cast a permanent enthrull spell over a large(near city size) area of effect, one time use item, creatures needed to make a save throw. Used it on a Fey Forest my party found, had a Arch Fey failed the check and nearly half the Fey Forest.

                      After the Civil War, i used the survivors to gather contracts owned by me, others for warriors/assassins. The party was not to happy about it, but it was the usual "Trickster Pricks" Fey we're all used to, so it didn't take long for them to get use to a controlled army that, if left to their own devices, could've hurt innocent people.

                      That was what I said to get them to stop complaining about it, the truth was i wanted a army that was good at getting anywhere and getting anyone at a moment's notice, but using evil magic items on things nobody will miss, or be happier to see "gone" or "dealt with" helps

                      • Kyle
                        Kyle  3 months back

                        Can't a God turn off their power if a cleric turns away? Don't clerics pray for spells at certain times, or after certain moments?

                        • zsmorr92
                          zsmorr92  3 months back

                          I wanted to address the comment about wizards almost always wanting to become Liches. Because right now I'm playing a wizard necromancer who does want to prolong his life, but has absolutely no desire to go the undead route. Perhaps it is unusual, but my character feels that you are giving up too much to become a lich. My path to immortality is a much less obvious one, but is more interesting in my opinion.

                          • Helixrobot
                            Helixrobot  4 months back

                            In a campaign im playing right now if you kill a God(gods could be killed depending and how and what gods there are) you become a godkiller which means you took the "title/power" (the power could be weaker depending what gos it is)of the god you killed(it could be a passive ability) for instance my gunslinger background was that he ended up killing Ares (a lower level god in this campaign)by dumb luck and taking his title of god of war and has abtily to during combat you can call upon your title and get a health boost and damage boost for a minute while in combat(once per every long Rest) but he also has a passive ability to make people around him get angry and fight for no reason

                            • TheRedRayBeam
                              TheRedRayBeam  4 months back

                              Acererak: *Has opportunity to ascend to godhood*
                              Acererak: "How about I just build some dungeons with god fetuses instead."

                              • Mark Janssen-Rosenblitt
                                Mark Janssen-Rosenblitt  4 months back

                                In my telling, gods begin at LVL100, only because the character becomes bored by mortality and the normal planes. They must give up their body and gain the influence over the realms. Demi-gods can occur no earlier than LVL50 and are generally managed by the non-corporeal gods of LVL100 and above (even though they generally don't know it -- early demigods tend to be very proud of themselves). Poseurs begin as early as LVL20, but there's really no lower bound for poseurs, is there. Once they lose their corporeality, their ability scores take on new meaning: STR for example (which isn't useful without a body) becomes +DAM modifiers for those who serve you, etc.

                                • Luckmaker
                                  Luckmaker  4 months back

                                  The path to being a demi-god lies through sucking up to your DM

                                  • Nyrufa
                                    Nyrufa  4 months back

                                    Actually, D&D released a book in the past that specifically laid out how to become a Demigod, but the process was so difficult, it was essentially impossible to do without the DM just handing you the achievement. The steps involved 1 - Being twice the max level recommended for the campaign. 2 - Convincing an already existing deity to sponsor you. 3 - Getting no less than 5 people to devoutly worship you as a divine being. And 4 - performing a feat worthy of godhood. If you successfully managed to achieve all of this, there would be a small chance that your patron would summon you to the higher / lower planes and make you an immortal servant of theirs. Then after an undefined period of servitude, you get promoted to Demigod!

                                    • John Salkeld
                                      John Salkeld  5 months back

                                      I like this idea of clerical magic

                                      • Frank Wolf
                                        Frank Wolf  5 months back

                                        Any 5e chance for Dragonlance? Need this released

                                        • Remy B
                                          Remy B  5 months back

                                          Once you transcend existence within only a single plane, then you're well on your way. I don't mean simply jumping between them, but to actually exist in more than one at the same time. Once you've done this, you're beyond any concept of normal mortality.

                                          • Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM

                                            We’ve been playing in my current campaign for about 6 years and in the past year we’ve all ascended to Godhood. I thought that would be the end of it but my boss ass DM kept it going with a cosmic war of the Gods where existence itself is on the line. Our party of 4 has split into two and we’re on opposite sides. After 6 years in real life, the end of the campaign is near. It’s going to end with a fight between the 4 PCs, who spent over 100 years fighting together as mortals. I’m so excited for it, also a little sad it’s finally coming to an end.

                                            • Everything8293Tucson
                                              Everything8293Tucson  2 weeks back

                                              I'll buy that Pay Per View lol sounds fun. good luck!

                                            • Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM
                                              Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM  2 months back

                                              It is over, apologies I forgot to come back here. Me and DM were working on an epilogue for the rest of the party and some friends who wanted to know more. There’s a lot to sum up so I’ll try and just tl;dr two of the major events that happened here and probably make a reddit post some other time.



                                              Well, we found a common enemy to make us cease fire. Somehow Fraz-Urb’luu managed to create a machine that runs off the power of Lesser Gods. That machine was dangerous and we had to stop him before he managed to essentially collapse space and time and whatever horrendous things that he had planned.

                                              Afterwards the hostility between the split party continued. My side was of the notion that the current Gods and system of things was obsolete and caused too much suffering and problems. Their side said that the current way is the best and to try and change it would cause too many problems. A war broke out and my side was sided with a lot of evil/morally grey Gods that also wanted change while theirs was made up of the good aligned deities. The fighting stopped after a majority of the material plane was destroyed(we fixed it) after a heated debate we ended up changing the rules of reality. My character destroyed the system of “Fate” and rebuilt it in a more efficient way. The most important rule was (Going to oversimplify the hell out of this) “A being becomes a god after a significant number of people revere them, good or evil”.

                                              Sorry, this is pretty rushed but I didn’t know if anyone would actually wanna read a huge wall of text on YouTube so it’s abridged.

                                            • Anthony Torres-Cruz
                                              Anthony Torres-Cruz  2 months back

                                              @Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM is the campaign over now?

                                            • Kyle
                                              Kyle  3 months back

                                              When the story ends, you can always use that as a backdrop for a new story. Sounds exciting.

                                            • Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM
                                              Շђє ๓๏๏ภ ๓คภTM  4 months back

                                              I’ll be sure to let you guys know when it’s over

                                          • Scarlet Jester
                                            Scarlet Jester  5 months back

                                            My brother became a god but tricking his god. He got his god to reward him a ring that binds his characters soul to it and can not break, he later placed a enchantment that makes only the hand that placed it can remove it. The final boss of the campaign was, thanks to the DM, was trying to rival the gods as a rushed end campaign fight, while the boss was dying, he took his ring and put it on the ring finger of the boss. The DM told him to roll for, rolls 20, asked to roll AGAIN, rolls 20. His soul transfers to the boss, now his powers and the boss remained, brother then says "I then burned my old body", the DM narrated it, he then said "now the ring can never be removed" the hand that placed was burnt to ashes. The DM ended the campaign, saying the only things that could rival his character are the In-Game Gods, someone in the party wanted to go for it, but unfortunately, next week had to start new character sheets for the new campaign

                                            • Rivers RPG Channel
                                              Rivers RPG Channel  5 months back

                                              Good video
                                              Interesting thoughts

                                              • Alan Nash
                                                Alan Nash  5 months back

                                                "Success often blinds us to growth" ...well at least I have that going for me :p

                                                • William Hoffman
                                                  William Hoffman  5 months back

                                                  In the D&D universe pretty much every God that exists was a mortal at one point. Asmodeus was once a low devil, The Raven queen (death goddess) was a legendary mortal woman, Orcus was a mortal who ascended. One of the factions in Sigil is the godsmen, who believe that we all have the potential to become gods and they are right! Wizards write in the fabric of reality more and more as they gain in power. Gods are fueled by their worship and use this power like magic to shape reality like a wizard.

                                                  • Jeff
                                                    Jeff  5 months back

                                                    Why would you want to be a litch? being some creepy undead? That's gross. It's much better to true poly yourself into a metallic dragon.

                                                    • Jeff
                                                      Jeff  5 months back

                                                      @Place_Holder Not really. Undead is a cliche garbage trope. It's in nearly every fantasy setting; it's fairly unimaginative.

                                                    • Place_Holder
                                                      Place_Holder  5 months back

                                                      @Jeff Technically true but skeletons are pretty RAD

                                                    • Jeff
                                                      Jeff  5 months back

                                                      @Place_Holder When it gets old enough... just true poly back into another younger dragon. true poly is the path to immortality.

                                                    • Place_Holder
                                                      Place_Holder  5 months back

                                                      Because even dragons die of old age.

                                                  • Matthew Sawczyn
                                                    Matthew Sawczyn  5 months back

                                                    "Because truth is relative."
                                                    My inner philosopher: _mmm... err... ahhhh......_ no comment.

                                                    • Matthew Sawczyn
                                                      Matthew Sawczyn  5 months back

                                                      @heucl meucl-heucl Oh, don't get me wrong, I know what he's saying. Was just having some fun with it :)

                                                    • heucl meucl-heucl
                                                      heucl meucl-heucl  5 months back

                                                      Matthew Sawczyn ever read Camus?

                                                  • D silva
                                                    D silva  5 months back

                                                    "If you can fail with open eyes, you learn more about yourself and about the world" Damn thats a good line.

                                                    • Laurent C
                                                      Laurent C  5 months back

                                                      French plz

                                                      • Zackary W
                                                        Zackary W  5 months back

                                                        I'd like to think that if a fantasy character gets to like level 40 or 50, and essentially becomes the VERY best of their class (and maybe with a small bit of extra magic added), then they can be classified as a straight-up god.

                                                        • Alexander David
                                                          Alexander David  5 months back

                                                          He mixed up the concepts of Laws and Truth. But that's ok...

                                                          • Titan360
                                                            Titan360  5 months back

                                                            I don't know. Somebody who can't die but isn't powerful can still be stuck or imprisoned somewhere. I'd be leery of ever going underground or even in a large building if I were them and I really thought forward what a landslide would mean... Quicksand and other natural hazards would also be a problem...

                                                            • Goldtooth's Lair
                                                              Goldtooth's Lair  5 months back

                                                              You know I always have a question could a another kobold become a god or just a demigod I mean you do have the one kobold God but he is trapped in an endless maze but what if another kobold became so powerful when he be considered as a demigod and let's say he decided to choose a path of good could he somehow lead the kobold to a more good nature? This is a question I wonder.

                                                              • Ethan Bligh
                                                                Ethan Bligh  5 months back

                                                                My friend once killed the drow spider God (who's name I can't remember) and took their place

                                                              • ValasaFantastic
                                                                ValasaFantastic  5 months back

                                                                I personally like BOTH. Knowing the How/why and having it fantasy. So I also tend to also create half science fiction half fantasy settings and incorporate real science into fantasy and have tech and magic and magi-tech. I like and prefer knowing the answers more often than not. BUT keeping it on an emotion artistic level more than not. I think I need to understand and have it make 'sense' to me BUT the players and characters don't always know, the DM is better off knowing. Great thought provoking video, thanks.

                                                                • Tony424
                                                                  Tony424  5 months back

                                                                  One of my old characters is currently locked in a pyramid tomb, sucking the energy out of a giant army of inactive undead dragons and other nasty stuff. I reckon in a few hundred years he might have a chance at godhood.

                                                                  • Avinash Arora
                                                                    Avinash Arora  5 months back

                                                                    Todd can you just set up a wider camera that includes you and the interviewee in the shot please

                                                                    • jerk chicken
                                                                      jerk chicken  5 months back

                                                                      Avinash Arora not a bad idea and coukd break things up a bit. Also makes us feel a bit more "in the moment" to see both's reactions / expressions. (I'm sure you've considered it)

                                                                  • Tobi-Wan Animations
                                                                    Tobi-Wan Animations  5 months back

                                                                    I have a feeling this guy really likes Mordenkainen

                                                                    • feylights
                                                                      feylights  5 months back

                                                                      I love stories involving gods, both the remote and more "human" ones. Faith works a bit differently in the Realms, I think, because the gods are very real and active. But of course, mortals don't know all the mysteries of the gods, either.

                                                                      • Jako The Clown
                                                                        Jako The Clown  5 months back

                                                                        Why are liches thrown in here?

                                                                        Everyone acts like liches are the pinnacle of power...they arent...pinnacles of power are just pure old fashion high lvl wizard...namely transmutation and divination magic..= game breakers

                                                                        Holy clerics wreck liches...badly too

                                                                        • Cameron Scott
                                                                          Cameron Scott  5 months back

                                                                          Its because of the immortality, once you can't die there's a lot of doors open for *_improvement_* that's the thing that I feel is so often missed out, being a lich isn't an ability it's an opportunity. It's eternal growth, self improvement and refinement till they are perfect

                                                                      • tideoftime
                                                                        tideoftime  5 months back

                                                                        6:00 -- some people forget (at least, those who were playing around 40 years ago... >checks expiration date on the bottom of my foot< lol) that that's how clerics were back in Basic/Redbox+ back in the day. Clerics, as written, didn't worship deities as such but simply were so devoted to an ethos/set of beliefs that they channeled power via that faith (similar to how Paladins now work in 5E). (And, of course, an equally "hard" thing for some old-school DMs to grok is that in 5E metaphysics it isn't that gods imbue the spells into the cleric/character but rather shows them *how* to develop/change them; should a cleric fall out with their deity, they still retain the spells that have in their minds/souls -- as well as recover their slots normally -- *but* don't have the ability to change their spells sans divine guidance/intervention, nor advance them any further. At least, until/unless they reconcile with their deity or become a cleric of another entity... ;) )

                                                                        • KrausHaus
                                                                          KrausHaus  5 months back

                                                                          one of my games had a “quasi mortal”, a young god who is limited to its human form, and another had a hex blade warlock who ripped a divine spark from an elder god

                                                                          • Tyler Emery
                                                                            Tyler Emery  5 months back

                                                                            I once saw a player try to convince a smurf-like civilization that he was a god... using minor illusion.

                                                                            • Actually_a_Cat
                                                                              Actually_a_Cat  5 months back

                                                                              Dragonlance was my choldhood my dad raised me on those books i started reading them in 4th grade hahaha

                                                                              • Bonifacio Mario Jr. Peña

                                                                                What are bhaalspawn though?

                                                                                • The Man With A Million Names

                                                                                  I imagine personally that yeah, if a PC hangs around in the world for a long time, gaining power, getting into higher levels, they could transcend their station in the cosmos. But that's just my opinion, and every GM should come to decisions in that vein on their own.

                                                                                  • trexdrew
                                                                                    trexdrew  5 months back

                                                                                    Get Kuo Toa to worship you is definitely on the list. Other way a player did it last campaign was to wish Mythrian’s Ring be teleported to their Magnificent Mansion because almost all his power was put into it and he gained a portfolio of his because tbh he was dumb as hell to even make one that powerful. It basically ended the campaign (we were close to the end) but it was done. Problem was as soon as he put it on he immediately could sense the thoughts and gained the powers all at once and it took a month or a little more to get acclimated to that and stop screaming...

                                                                                    • Demiurgus, The Arrogant God

                                                                                      I just had a powerful enough god (Vecna) have his cultists/followers carry out a multi-planar ritual that ripped a sizable chunk out of the multiverse without breaking it, and forcing said chunk to coalesce into a separate demiplane/universe with no gods, goddesses, primordial, or anything governing it whatsoever, effectively making it possible to bend and break the fundamental rules of reality, because their is no force in existence saying that those rules exist in the first place. Then i had Vecna take a portion of his own divine essence, place that in the beginnings of what would become a soul, wrap that soul in a moderate Curse of Hardships/Misfortune, and threw that cursed pseudo-soul into this separate world/plane/universe, ensuring the birth of a demigod amongst one of the mortal races, and that that demigod would seek out power in order to stave off the hardships that have been an ever present and ever escalating part of their life.

                                                                                      This would, to a degree, cause Vecna's life story to play out all over again on a fast track, with the demigod Awakening to their deific power in their "darkest hour", later attempting to become a full God, and acting as a seed bed/ nursery for Vecna's power all the way through. All the while, the The end result would be the break in reality would slowly repair itself over time, the end goal being the demigod having ascended to a full god by then, and Vecna ripping out his divine essence from the new God and adding it back into himself, bolstering his power even further.