How Big of a Problem Is Identity Politics on the Left?

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  • Published: 06 June 2019
  • Taken from JRE #1311 w/David Pakman: https://youtu.be/7X8UMzTjZpU

Comments • 802

  • sifridbassoon
    sifridbassoon  3 weeks back

    Everybody will be saying that it isn't a problem as he walks to the HR department to pick up his last check after being fired.

    • Mike Weaver
      Mike Weaver  4 weeks back

      False equivalency?..like comparing antifa to the tea party?..show me the video where the tea party showed up in masks with baseball bats and started fucking shit up...I'll wait..

      • Goodfella
        Goodfella  4 weeks back

        These guys are clearly in denial. Identity politics has absorbed the left. The far-left is not the minority on the democratic side.

        • Leedle Lee
          Leedle Lee  1 months back

          Of course the ADL says the vast majority of "hate incidents" come from the right! They're a left-wing organization!

          • nick lasalle
            nick lasalle  1 months back

            I don't agree with the assessment that you're more likely to be assaulted as a left wing person or a right wing person.... You are way more likely to be physically confronted or assaulted wearing a trump hat than anything else... That's been proven over and over and over

            • The Dracobirthstonian
              The Dracobirthstonian  3 months back

              Liberals were better back then...but now even they have found themselves in this new breed of far-left insanity.

              • Anthony Berg
                Anthony Berg  4 months back

                "David Pakman is a cuck episode 4". Please youtube it. It explains everything.

                • Jason Woods
                  Jason Woods  5 months back

                  False equivalency is Pakman comparing Antifa to Tea Party.

                  • Jolie Sarah
                    Jolie Sarah  5 months back

                    Wow! amazing how much Dave Pakman doesn't address the issue of Identity Politics.

                    • Red fox 5000
                      Red fox 5000  5 months back

                      The online right thinks identity politics is bad
                      Until they have to prove they’re not racist “my wife’s Indian” excuse from Mcginnes. Or “I’m half Asian” from Tim pool. Then identity politics is perfectly legitimate. Also: EVERYONE who disagrees with me is a crazy Marxist cuck....
                      The right “identity politics for me but not for thee” wing!

                      • Iasan O’lunney
                        Iasan O’lunney  5 months back

                        pacmans cites facts from liars like him, he is very transparent

                        • thanks for subtitles in the video

                          what is adl?

                          • Wadeless
                            Wadeless  5 months back

                            David Pakman is out of touch with whats going on in the world.

                            • LevantarAthletics JohnnyTocco'sBoxing

                              So much butt-hurt in these comments because the guy makes sense.

                              • Christian Traverse
                                Christian Traverse  6 months back

                                David pacman is a disingenuous bitch that refuses to debate The Hard Bastard

                                • Jay Rock Jinx
                                  Jay Rock Jinx  6 months back

                                  Republicans and their shitty politics are more of a problem than identity politics. Joe Rogan loves the fear mongering of sjws. The right too it’s all they have.

                                  • John Doe
                                    John Doe  6 months back

                                    Left side of the coin insists he's not the same as the right side of the coin.

                                    • John Doe
                                      John Doe  6 months back

                                      Dude is an ideologue that has thoroughly convinced himself he's not one.

                                    • Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience

                                      The comment section is cracking me up. Clearly some online conservative group put out an urgent call to action for all of their members to comment on this video. They've all been given very specific talking points such as "mention his use of the anti defamation league", and "Point out how he compares the Tea Party to Antifa", and "Dispute his claim that he's a reasonable leftist, and accuse him of being an extremist"... Here's a piece of advice to all of you right wing trolls - try to read what your fellow members wrote before your post so you aren't saying the exact same thing over and over, therefore giving it away that you're writing as part of some right wing call to action. It's so transparent that it's kind of hilarious. What I'm trying to figure out is why did this particular video got on your radar?

                                      • Prot
                                        Prot  6 months back

                                        @Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience I mean, you're free to have any conspiracy theory you'd like, but I'm going to ask for evidence that what you're saying is accurate. Right now you've just got a "Well that's what it looks like to me..." and sorry, but that's not good enough evidence. Same reason why I don't buy into Flat Earth.

                                      • Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience
                                        Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience  6 months back

                                        @Ravie You can argue against the ADL until you're blue in the face, I really don't give a crap, as I have no skin in that game. It's very simple to put out a call to action to a political community. You post the youtube video you want them to watch and talking points you want them to say in case they don't have time to watch the video and come up with them on their own. I don't know why they did it, I just know they did. My guess is it's a Jordan Peterson fan club or something as David Pakman has been outspoken in his criticism of JP. I've seen a lot of youtube videos and read way too many comments, and I've never seen such uniformity in a comment section like this. It was coordinated, and done so quite easily.

                                      • Ravie
                                        Ravie  6 months back

                                        @Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience Two points, first youtube does not recommend videos to a random group of people, they recommend videos based on how likely they think you are to click on it and watch, which means that if early on the highest engagement was from people who watch a certain type of right wing content (and given what the title says Packman is talking about that makes sense) then youtube will recommend the video to every other person with similar watch history meaning we don't have a random sample of people (or even Joe Rogan fans).


                                        Second no doubt the type of channels they watch talk about orgs like the ADL and why they are problematic. The ADL and the SPLC are not authoritative sources. They both have been repeatedly involved in defamation lawsuits they have often lost. The problem isn't their space as a commentator but rather that people pretend that they have any authority whatsoever. They have a religious bias, they are a Jewish group and they pretend that this doesn't affect their interpretation of what is "hate", it does, they arn't actually secular.


                                        The primary criticism of the ADL should be the fact that they have a left leaning bias in who they criticize. This doesn't mean they don't have their critics on the left: https://www.jta.org/2018/04/19/united-states/jewish-civil-rights-group-became-villain-far-left-2


                                        From groups that look at how political non-profits opperate (look at the references on this one to get a better picture of what they do): https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/anti-defamation-league/


                                        Other Jewish groups for their political slant (especially as it is perceived to exist in regard to Israeli politics): https://cija.ca/adls-progressivism-undermines-its-credibility-in-combating-antisemitism/


                                        I still think the ADL's problem is primarily in what they don't say. You can agree with their positions or not, but they arn't an authority. Left wingers who arn't paying attention use the ADL as a scapegoat for not being able to argue over whether or not something about race or biases good or bad when they don't have any thoughts of their own.


                                        The ADL is highly falible organization that is often propped up to facilitate lazy talking points.


                                        The idea that people would waste their time bombing a Joe Rogan comments section is mind bogglingly overcomplicated. Ocams/Hanlons razor buddy.

                                      • Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience
                                        Anthony Parker and the Near Life Experience  6 months back

                                        @Ravie I'll concede that I shouldn't have used the word troll. But the reality is, very few people watch videos beyond the first minute or so, yet somehow, dozens of people, all very right leaning, all decided to watch this ONE particular video, staying tuned for over two thirds of the video, all on the exact same day (yes the majority of these comments happened on the exact same day). And they ALL commented on about the same thing, meaning they all have the exact same set of knowledge about the ADL and antifa, etc. You may also notice that when several of the commenters were pressed on where they get their bias against the ADL, they provided no evidence other than angry assertions, which means they really don't know squat about it beyond the fact that they were told in their call to action to bring it up. And notice that until my post, the comment section was practically quiet after the barrage the comments saying the same thing. Given the popularity and the amount of views on this video, if that was not a coordinated spam attack, it would have continued to trickle in. No, this was planned, period.

                                      • Ravie
                                        Ravie  6 months back

                                        People are making the same points because they are obvious or easiest ones to make. The ADL is a politically biased organization, that one is the easiest. The tea party was a grassroots political movement not a protest/riot organization.


                                        Calling people you disagree with trolls solves nothing. Most people arn't creative, yourself included.

                                    • Brett
                                      Brett  6 months back

                                      I agree. It is mostly a very vocal minority on the left that subscribes to these identity politics. With that being said, there’s more of those people than there are of these far-right “white nationalists” which the media tells us to be very afraid of.

                                      • Swi ckens
                                        Swi ckens  6 months back

                                        Lol he mentioned the defamation league but doesn't mention the leagues bias lol. Like even a church that doesn't believe in gay marriage could be on that website as a hate organization. Or how, you probably won't ever get a hate crime if you commit a hate crime against a hhhhhhhhwhite man

                                        • KoTa Young
                                          KoTa Young  6 months back

                                          “Top majority of hate incidents in the U.S are coming from the right” . Excuse me what?

                                          • John Lydon
                                            John Lydon  6 months back

                                            sensible people on the left? since when did that exist?

                                            • FlameG102
                                              FlameG102  6 months back

                                              The reason the adl has more right wing hate on record is because the adl is itself infested by left wing ideology. So they ignore left wing hate. Which is also why you then get them labeling things like pepe the frog as a "hate symbol"

                                              • alt knight
                                                alt knight  6 months back

                                                Well... I do want healthcare. But man libtards pissn me off.

                                                • Coach Beef
                                                  Coach Beef  6 months back

                                                  Most “ incidents of hate “ coming from the right is a skewed stat, because the definition of hate crime is biased to apply to minorities that lean left. The “vocal minority” on the Left is also a violent minority. The Left stalks and assaults and defames and prevents speech at astronomically higher rates than the right. They seem to want a war, and if the Left brings it, the right will end it.

                                                  • JayMane
                                                    JayMane  1 months back

                                                    You legit sound like one of them maladjusted nazi folk.

                                                  • KanyeT
                                                    KanyeT  6 months back

                                                    > because the definition of hate crime is biased to apply to minorities that lean left.
                                                    Damn, I've never considered that. I don't know if it's enough to sway the numbers but certainly something to keep in mind if the person tracking the stats is left-leaning.

                                                • 420blazeit Feget
                                                  420blazeit Feget  6 months back

                                                  Parkman is a liar and needs to die

                                                  • SouthernMuscle
                                                    SouthernMuscle  6 months back

                                                    Those numbers are flat out false. A study by criminologists at Florida State, Penn State and University of Cincinnati show that leftists are THREE times more likely to commit
                                                    political violence than those on the right. The reasoning was, as Inauguration Day 2017 showed, those on the right feel they have "a lot to lose" by committing violence. Usually families, jobs and other responsibilities. Inauguration Day 2017 showed leftists committing arson all through Washington DC. When Obama won, there was no such violence from the right. So this guy is simply trying to portray himself as a "rational leftist", while using false data from a left wing group.

                                                    • Tolkatore
                                                      Tolkatore  6 months back

                                                      There's no such thing as intelligent people on the left, the only reason they claim to be, is simply to make money off the stupid people who really are on the left.

                                                    • 2 Cent
                                                      2 Cent  6 months back

                                                      Trump uses ID Politics for fake victimize of White Males

                                                      • drizzal83
                                                        drizzal83  6 months back

                                                        No idea how he ended up on JRE, but this dude's always been a snake. The Jew in his natural state (being dishonest and subversive), ladies and gentlemen.

                                                        • hkgonra
                                                          hkgonra  6 months back

                                                          But do those stats look at things fairly ?

                                                          • hkgonra
                                                            hkgonra  5 months back

                                                            We are Doomed I have looked at those stats and they relied on information from SPLC about who was a right wing group.
                                                            SPLC thinks everyone they disagree with is a right wing terrorist.

                                                          • hkgonra
                                                            hkgonra  5 months back

                                                            We are Doomed so I guess antifa this weekend is now listed as right wing.
                                                            When someone lists socialists as right wing I already know they are full of crap.

                                                        • James DV
                                                          James DV  6 months back

                                                          Identity politics is something that every one of their presidential candidates embraces... nothing to see here, though.

                                                          • David Brown
                                                            David Brown  6 months back

                                                            Wow, that has to be the most disingenuous human alive. I mean his defense of violence on campus is effectively, “have you seen the highways the Nazi built?” And quoting the ADL is the cherry on the bullshit sundae, can’t believe Joe dove right into it.

                                                            • Serafsvn
                                                              Serafsvn  6 months back

                                                              Ass wipes on different sides of the coin...how bout get emotional, and logically figure this shit out. !@*% there goes the bridge.

                                                              • Serafsvn
                                                                Serafsvn  6 months back

                                                                Like , “ hey! Who are you?” Or like “ Hey! You are who!

                                                                • Ben
                                                                  Ben  6 months back

                                                                  Pakman is a liar and a manipulator. His smug approach to any issue he is in contention with is wrought with deflection and projection. This "man" is never to be trusted!

                                                                  • tetrahedron in space
                                                                    tetrahedron in space  6 months back

                                                                    Ben Hassid this reads like a Trump tweet. I’m sure you wouldn’t want that on your conscious.

                                                                • Michael Conway
                                                                  Michael Conway  6 months back

                                                                  Yeeeeeah! Pac-Man says most of the political violence is committed by the right and Joe Rogan then just agrees !!!!!

                                                                  • David Brown
                                                                    David Brown  6 months back

                                                                    He’s right if you take radical Islam as politically right... it’s incredibly disingenuous but the guy is that personified.

                                                                • Bobby E
                                                                  Bobby E  6 months back

                                                                  This dudes a fucking worm

                                                                  • BosoxnationI972
                                                                    BosoxnationI972  6 months back

                                                                    Davis the Muppet Parkman taught at BOSTON COLLEGE, a conservative school, and he was worried that his interaction with a student would have been handled a certain way? Let him teach at a LEFTIST school like Berkeley, and his interaction would have been handled differently. BC is one of about 10% of Universities and colleges in America that is conservative. Notre Dame, Baylor, Oral Roberts, Catholic University....they handle things differently than Marxist Universities.

                                                                    • Lurking Airman
                                                                      Lurking Airman  6 months back

                                                                      Identity politics on the left is a MUCH bigger phenomenon than "white supremacy" on the right.

                                                                      • Despiser Despised
                                                                        Despiser Despised  6 months back

                                                                        "How bad is identity politics on the ctrl-left?"
                                                                        So bad black kids in college demand segregation.
                                                                        So bad that Black supremacy is a larger issue than white supremacy.
                                                                        So bad that Affirmative Action isn't considered institutional racism.
                                                                        So bad that black people think they cant be racists.

                                                                        If you want to know where this cancer came form look here: https://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4

                                                                        • Ian Douglas
                                                                          Ian Douglas  6 months back

                                                                          David Pakman is the product of living in a woke, progressive/regressive leftist bubble. He thinks he is on the side of righteousness and people that disagree with him are not. I have no explanation as to why he sometimes slips into ‘Valley Girl’ vernacular though. Just watch the movie ‘Clueless’ and you’ll know what I mean.

                                                                          • Ian Mak
                                                                            Ian Mak  6 months back

                                                                            This guy is talking whataboutism. When the topic of about the left he immediately deflects and say "the majority of ""hate incidents"" is from the right". When the topic goes back to the left he immediately says he doesn't want to make a "false equivalency". Nobody was making a false equivalency. Nobody was even comparing the two. The only person bringing the right wing up is him and everytime he does he basically says the right is worse as a means to deflect. He doesn't explain what they do or how the left is not wrong. He agrees with Joe and immediately deflects to the right

                                                                            • James Redic
                                                                              James Redic  6 months back

                                                                              The terroist republican alt right invented identity politics. The hypocrisy of Rogan and the right are hilarious.

                                                                              • Madison Stephens
                                                                                Madison Stephens  6 months back

                                                                                It's a small problem that everything around it is afraid of. It's a small problem that controls entire institutions, corporations, and lives. So is it really a small problem?

                                                                                • Hildegard von Bingen
                                                                                  Hildegard von Bingen  6 months back

                                                                                  It isnt a small problem. It is a big Problem. They Are always just taking a babystep and say its just a small change.

                                                                                  But thousand small steps over time Are a serious issue

                                                                              • Gio Valladares
                                                                                Gio Valladares  6 months back

                                                                                Vast majority of hate crimes are coming from the right? minorities commit more hate crimes per capita. Just look up the numbers are compare them per 100,000

                                                                                • Kaz K
                                                                                  Kaz K  6 months back

                                                                                  The ADL is a hate group.