West Ham goal overturned by VAR vs. Sheffield United: Is it time to rewrite the laws? | ESPN FC

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  • Published: 10 January 2020
  • ESPN FC’s Shaka Hislop, Stewart Robson and Craig Burley break down the controversial VAR decision that overturned a late equalizer for West Ham in a 1-0 defeat vs. Sheffield United. With so many VAR decisions sparking debate in the Premier League this season, is the technology the problem or do the laws of the game need to be re-examined?

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  • The Revster
    The Revster  1 weeks back

    Up the Blades.

    • Structured Randomness
      Structured Randomness  2 weeks back

      var make the game fair... if its no goal then its not a goal... what is controversy when var is ryt??? i support a fair decision.. and var had done that

      • James Hughes
        James Hughes  2 weeks back

        If it doesn't touch his hand he doesn't get the goal. He's gained an advantage using his hand it doesn't matter if he means it or not.

        • Bkob Bkob
          Bkob Bkob  2 weeks back

          As any professional should do is to obey the law especially in the market they are in. Wouldn’t be professional if you didn’t like the laws of the profession your trying to be the best at! Does not make sense , money=power and that’s what these players think they have . No! Why not have a brain and learn the laws of your job. Like most people have to. Simples

          • knewy
            knewy  2 weeks back

            Yes a football players emotions of being frustrated about something and being surprised by it is a really important distinction to make here (especially since football players and managers have such finely tuned emotions). Frustration is ok, but surprise.. no chance. Put that emotion aside until next season!

            • Robin
              Robin  2 weeks back

              It's time, for ESPN to stop asking if VAR is ruining the game.

              • Danny Shepherd
                Danny Shepherd  2 weeks back

                I am a blades fan. And have our fair share of stupid VAR decisions. There is a reason why the premier league players managers and fans are screaming foul when other nations who use it arent...its down to implementation... The rule makers have even said the premier league are not implementing it as per their guidance.

                Technology cannot at 50 frames per seconds know the exact time a ball leaves the passer to know to the mm if the player is off side as between frames the player running at full tilt could have moved several inches let alone millimeters. The guidelines says "CLEAR AND OBVIOIS ERRORS" being a mm wrong on an armpit hair is neither clear nor obvious.

                The rule on hand ball is also stupid. How can you have a rule for one and a rule for another... that happens to a defender and he clears a goalscoring opportunity.. it's not hand ball... but the same thing for an attacker and its chalked off.

                The problem is then also how far back do you go to check... if you have accidentally hand balled it and then after 23 passes and 5 minutes of play you score is it chalked off...

                • SkablerPro
                  SkablerPro  2 weeks back

                  He wouldn't have had control of that ball hadn't he handled it. Why is he even complaining.
                  He changed the direction of the ball in his favor using his hand and he complains when the goal gets disallowed 🤔

                  • ttblade
                    ttblade  2 weeks back

                    West Ham don't think rules and laws apply to them (no change there then).

                    • Legs Magee
                      Legs Magee  5 days back

                      Coulda used that last minute illegal sub...

                  • warriorprince101010
                    warriorprince101010  2 weeks back

                    It was handball, VAR got it right.

                    • Mark Power
                      Mark Power  2 weeks back

                      I watch Leicester on soccer Saturday and they got 3 goals ruled out.....

                      • Mark Power
                        Mark Power  2 weeks back

                        Disgrace

                        • eddyvideostar
                          eddyvideostar  2 weeks back

                          ETHOS AND TENET FOR VAR: The purpose of VAR is to re-witness the occurrence at different speeds and angles and act accordingly. How can there be human judgment or discretion regarding inadvertency or deliberateness? A judgment regarding a players' heart, intent, innocence or inadvertence is too ambiguous to be of any use.

                          VAR technology can only serve to show the incident robotically. *Man cannot assess men's hearts one hundred percent of the time.* Even when he means well, this can be misconstrued.

                          There should be one rule in place, lest what one views becomes muddled and indiscernible. So, therefore, in keeping with the uniformity, there should be one universal rule: *If the ball and hands make contact,* for whatever reason (a hundred miles per hour shot headed for one's face) -- it should be *deemed handball.*

                          • eddyvideostar
                            eddyvideostar  2 weeks back

                            ETHOS AND TENET FOR VAR: The purpose of VAR is to re-witness the occurrence at different speeds and angles and act accordingly. How can there be human judgment or discretion regarding inadvertency or deliberateness? A judgment regarding a players' heart, intent, innocence or inadvertence is too ambiguous to be of any use.



                            VAR technology can only serve to show the incident robotically. *Man cannot assess men's hearts one hundred percent of the time.* Even when he means well, this can be misconstrued.

                            There should be one rule in place, lest what one views becomes muddled and indiscernible. So, therefore, in keeping with the uniformity, there should be one universal rule: *If the ball and hands make contact,* for whatever reason (a hundred miles per hour shot headed for one's face) -- it should be *deemed handball.*

                            • Grant Mitchell
                              Grant Mitchell  2 weeks back

                              Imagine being from Scotland and complaining about the English?🤣get a life you journey man

                              • Christopher Christie
                                Christopher Christie  2 weeks back

                                Get rid of it👎🏾

                                • Miguel Pereira
                                  Miguel Pereira  2 weeks back

                                  I am tired of all this moaning about VAR. You never see people complaining about VAR when the call goes in their way. VAR is a great addition to the game it makes everything clearer, maybe in some games it is too used and it ruins the flow of the game, I'd agree in that, but most of the problems have with VAR has to do with the laws of the game, not VAR itself, Craig is 100% correct here

                                  • Gallon of Magnet
                                    Gallon of Magnet  2 weeks back

                                    Shut up moaning guys it was handball clear and simple. You can’t argue the law 👍



                                    Up the Blades ⚔️🔴⚔️🔴⚔️🔴

                                    • Brandon
                                      Brandon  2 weeks back

                                      Gallon of Magnet you can if the law is wrong

                                  • Ade BiH
                                    Ade BiH  2 weeks back

                                    var is good(at wc), but var in pl is not good

                                    • andrew tucker
                                      andrew tucker  2 weeks back

                                      LiVARpool

                                      • andrew tucker
                                        andrew tucker  2 weeks back

                                        PGMOL OUT
                                        VAR OUT
                                        HANDBALL LAW OUT

                                        • Bkob Bkob
                                          Bkob Bkob  2 weeks back

                                          andrew tucker no one cares apart from people with no life , these footballers are meant to be professionals so as a professional electrician I have to adapt to new laws and if I don’t obey them then I’ll get into trouble with the courts . I learn new laws and put them into practice as a professional and if I don’t like it then it sucks to be me . But I don’t care I just care that I do my job to the best of my ability and carry on what is required by law. No moans apart from having to pay for these courses to update my knowledge . End of rant

                                      • Mohamed Gad
                                        Mohamed Gad  2 weeks back

                                        What’s the music on the background? Can’t find it on Shazam

                                        • Scott Drinkwater
                                          Scott Drinkwater  2 weeks back

                                          Apparently you can control the ball with your hand now and set up a goal, as long as it's 'not intentional'.

                                          • 1Deag Wonder
                                            1Deag Wonder  2 weeks back

                                            With the tech you cant cheat/skirt the laws.

                                            • Hector Torres
                                              Hector Torres  2 weeks back

                                              I think var could be better if they let the main ref go and see the screen on the field to make his own decision.

                                              • ITSPEAKSEASON 19
                                                ITSPEAKSEASON 19  2 weeks back

                                                With the amount of laws in today’s football. How long will it be before fans find a new sport to watch? We all understand the point of having VAR but for me it’s killing the enjoyment of watching the game.

                                                • Nicholas Duncan
                                                  Nicholas Duncan  2 weeks back

                                                  Var should be for intentional!

                                                  • Truth to Tell
                                                    Truth to Tell  2 weeks back

                                                    03:06 - Spot on Mr Burley; the rules are clear so stop moaning and whinging about unfairness. Had that ball not hit Rice's arm it would have been picked up by Baldock and the goal-scoring opportunity would not have arisen. It's perfectly fair and that's why the rule has been changed. Years ago Sheff Utd's Jamie Hoyland scored a legit goal with his arm v Man Utd to win a cup-tie 2-1. As a Blades fan I always thought that was ridiculous even though I was obviously delighted with the rule then that allowed it!

                                                    • Afterthought_btw
                                                      Afterthought_btw  2 weeks back

                                                      The law needs to be reverted rather than rewritten. It was completely fine before, and then the morons in charge who know nothing about football changed it. The same morons, incidentally, who want to change the offside rule to 'daylight' between attacker and defender.

                                                      • Joe O Sullivan
                                                        Joe O Sullivan  2 weeks back

                                                        Sorry, but Declan Rice is an idiot for saying he doesn't want VAR in football.
                                                        VAR is great. It's the people screwing up the implementation of it that are the problem.
                                                        I mean, do you blame a car is some idiot crashes into you?
                                                        Or blame a scissors if you run and fall, and stick yourself in the eye?
                                                        Seriously like, even a dog is smart enough to know that it's the person, and not the stick, that's beating them.

                                                        • Pacmac Kent
                                                          Pacmac Kent  2 weeks back

                                                          If it didnt hit his arm it was cleard by the defender

                                                          • Allah is gay
                                                            Allah is gay  2 weeks back

                                                            VAR is not to blame, does anyone remember World Cup 2002? South Korea defeated Spain and Italy with the help of Asian referees. The match between Barcelona and Chelsea where the referee should had given Chelsea at least 3 penalties.

                                                            • Robert Ward
                                                              Robert Ward  2 weeks back

                                                              Why not keep the technology but have a system where the captain can challenge a decision; like in tennis. That way the technology is kept but if there is a clear and obvious error the players feel they can query decisions.

                                                              In the Declan Rice goal I don't think the Sheffield United players thought there was anything wrong with it!

                                                              • ThomDull
                                                                ThomDull  2 weeks back

                                                                It was a handball by Trent in L'pool vs City in L'pool penalty box after that handball L'pool scored goal few second after from counterattack that Tren started after ball clearly hit his arm. It's inconsistency that makes everyone confused and unhappy.

                                                                • Braden Rundle
                                                                  Braden Rundle  2 weeks back

                                                                  Not handball, as Alexander-Arnold never created a goal-scoring opportunity. The only touch of the ball he had was when the ball hit his arm; van Dijk came in and cleared the ball.

                                                              • Eat, Gym, Sleep and Repeat

                                                                The biggest farce of the season is how that is classed as handball, yet Trent Alexander-Handball vs City wasn’t. Absolutely scandalous that handball has different interpretations based on whether it’s perpetrated by a defending or the attacking team.

                                                                • the saint
                                                                  the saint  2 weeks back

                                                                  The law is the problem not var in this instance so the goal was correctly disallowed. Move on!

                                                                  • MyShowbizName
                                                                    MyShowbizName  2 weeks back

                                                                    Hey Burley, nobody is surprised mate. Just because something is the law, doesn't mean people shouldn't say that's it's wrong. VAR is here and so there's nothing we can do? There is, we can get rid of it. If VAR doesn't stamp out controversy and decisions are still debatable then what is the point in it being part of the game? All it does is slow the game down and kill the real emotion replacing it with synthetic reactions and apathy. Fans can accept incorrect decisions when it's human error but now we wait 3-4 minutes and still feel cheated. And I agree with the guy sitting in front of a photo, people will still moan if VAR is scrapped but I'd be amazed if the vast majority wouldn't prefer it. The game is becoming sanitised and the magic that came from genuine emotion is being eroded. Once nobody cares anymore, Burley can moan about not making a living off talking about the English game.

                                                                    • Red Devil Studio
                                                                      Red Devil Studio  2 weeks back

                                                                      Craig talking so much sense here. Preach!!

                                                                      • Marshall Brennan
                                                                        Marshall Brennan  2 weeks back

                                                                        Marginal offsides and unintentional handballs HAVE to be altered in the law for the good of the beautiful game. The traditional fabric of the game is a form of entertainment for the working class and we cannot allow technology to take it away by turning it into a fucking robotic bore-fest with emotion sucked out of it! People forget what football is. VAR itself should be kept but sped up with new laws and a time limit.

                                                                        • G G
                                                                          G G  2 weeks back

                                                                          Are we gonna start allowing handballs now ? Whichever team has a decision going against them will whine .

                                                                          • Richard HumberstonePT
                                                                            Richard HumberstonePT  2 weeks back

                                                                            The defender headed the ball if not for hitting his arm the ball would have been cleared to the other Sheffield United player. What’s the problem?

                                                                            • Scott Drinkwater
                                                                              Scott Drinkwater  2 weeks back

                                                                              The problem is that it's one of the 'big London clubs' who've been regulars in the top flight for the last few years. Premiership snobs love telling smaller clubs to suck it up and call them moaners when things go against them, but as soon as it happens to themselves it's suddenly a massive talking point. Sheff Utd have had much worse VAR decisions go against them this season, and notice there was never this level of debate around most of them. Double standards as always.

                                                                          • Daniel
                                                                            Daniel  2 weeks back

                                                                            What about Messis goal last night? Same things. Ridiculous rule.

                                                                            • RAVEN AK47
                                                                              RAVEN AK47  2 weeks back

                                                                              Antonio handball was at chelsea not Southampton, luckily it never mattered as we won anyway

                                                                              • daire04
                                                                                daire04  2 weeks back

                                                                                Southampton as well

                                                                            • asad iqbal
                                                                              asad iqbal  2 weeks back

                                                                              It was the correct decision. Move on

                                                                              • Eddy Douge
                                                                                Eddy Douge  2 weeks back

                                                                                ??

                                                                                • Freddie Marsh
                                                                                  Freddie Marsh  2 weeks back

                                                                                  I don’t know why people are complaining so much. It’s so unfair to give a goal when if that didn’t hit his hand, he wouldn’t have got control of the ball.

                                                                                  • smanslam1
                                                                                    smanslam1  2 weeks back

                                                                                    I think Craig summarized it well.

                                                                                    • deth502
                                                                                      deth502  2 weeks back

                                                                                      VAR has destroyed football in the PL. It slows the game down, fans cheer, players celebrate, then we all wait and sigh as after 2 mins its disallowed. Not only that, the number of terrible decisions, line drawing, armpit hair coming into consideration has just highlighted how poorly it has been implemented. Get rid.

                                                                                      • Scott Drinkwater
                                                                                        Scott Drinkwater  2 weeks back

                                                                                        But for years before it was implemented all people used to talk about were terrible refereeing decisions and how games and trophies were being decided by unfair goals, that it was ruining the game and something must be done about it. People have very short memories.